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		<title>By: Dewey</title>
		<link>http://crankedmag.wordpress.com/2007/10/03/namby-pamby/#comment-870</link>
		<dc:creator>Dewey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Oct 2007 04:05:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I&#039;ve been living in Seattle for over 20 years now and have seen a lot changes in the traffic and the drivers attitude around it. It&#039;s becoming a rat-race out there, where there is little respect for all who use the streets. What I do to try when biking or drive the beast is to obey the laws. Meaning when I bike I stop  at stop signs, I signal when turning or stopping, acknowledge when a motorist gives me a break, and generally try not to be unnecessarily aggressive. That does not meaning being passive to my rights on the road. I also call fellow bikers on the stupid moves they might pull. I seen some real dumb things out there, as we all have. I also think we should all carry a camera with us and use it when involved in an accident or witness one.
 I also wish we could get our mayor out on a bike and get him on our side. Maybe we should present him a swank commuter. He could get a police bike escort to work and he could lose a few pounds and no longer be called a certain cartoon character (Porky the Pig). My two cents. Cheers&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been living in Seattle for over 20 years now and have seen a lot changes in the traffic and the drivers attitude around it. It&#8217;s becoming a rat-race out there, where there is little respect for all who use the streets. What I do to try when biking or drive the beast is to obey the laws. Meaning when I bike I stop  at stop signs, I signal when turning or stopping, acknowledge when a motorist gives me a break, and generally try not to be unnecessarily aggressive. That does not meaning being passive to my rights on the road. I also call fellow bikers on the stupid moves they might pull. I seen some real dumb things out there, as we all have. I also think we should all carry a camera with us and use it when involved in an accident or witness one.<br />
 I also wish we could get our mayor out on a bike and get him on our side. Maybe we should present him a swank commuter. He could get a police bike escort to work and he could lose a few pounds and no longer be called a certain cartoon character (Porky the Pig). My two cents. Cheers</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://crankedmag.wordpress.com/2007/10/03/namby-pamby/#comment-875</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 20:11:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;http://www.mobilityeducation.org/home&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: Chas</title>
		<link>http://crankedmag.wordpress.com/2007/10/03/namby-pamby/#comment-876</link>
		<dc:creator>Chas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Oct 2007 17:41:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
  &lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;What’s stopping them from scrapping our rights to the road?&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;Your rights to the road are governed by the State of Washington, not the City of Seattle. Seattle governs whether or not you have rights to ride on the sidewalk.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If you&#039;d like to &#039;officially&#039; let (shithead) motorists know the rules of the road for specifically bicycles, head to a WA DOL office and grab many copies of the pamphlet on Bicycle laws. It&#039;s clearly states in common language your rights, including your right to the full lane.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;http://www.lesstraffic.com/Articles/Traffic/SGTC.htm &quot;People hold contradictory values and desires (which is a good thing - and the key to working for change). In our &#039;motoring persona&#039; we want traffic to go faster. In our &#039;resident persona&#039; we want traffic to go slower (or stop altogether). Second generation traffic calming is built on working with these internal contradictions and helping people find a more creative way to balance these contradictory needs. These contradictory desires are not a bad thing - in fact they make large-scale cultural change relatively easy.&quot;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/12.12/traffic.html &quot;I think the future of transportation in our cities is slowing down the roads,&quot;&lt;/li&gt;
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<p><em>What’s stopping them from scrapping our rights to the road?</em></p>
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<p>Your rights to the road are governed by the State of Washington, not the City of Seattle. Seattle governs whether or not you have rights to ride on the sidewalk.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;d like to &#8216;officially&#8217; let (shithead) motorists know the rules of the road for specifically bicycles, head to a WA DOL office and grab many copies of the pamphlet on Bicycle laws. It&#8217;s clearly states in common language your rights, including your right to the full lane.</p>
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<li><a href="http://www.lesstraffic.com/Articles/Traffic/SGTC.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.lesstraffic.com/Articles/Traffic/SGTC.htm</a> &#8220;People hold contradictory values and desires (which is a good thing &#8211; and the key to working for change). In our &#8216;motoring persona&#8217; we want traffic to go faster. In our &#8216;resident persona&#8217; we want traffic to go slower (or stop altogether). Second generation traffic calming is built on working with these internal contradictions and helping people find a more creative way to balance these contradictory needs. These contradictory desires are not a bad thing &#8211; in fact they make large-scale cultural change relatively easy.&#8221;</li>
<li><a href="http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/12.12/traffic.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/12.12/traffic.html</a> &#8220;I think the future of transportation in our cities is slowing down the roads,&#8221;</li>
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		<title>By: columbus</title>
		<link>http://crankedmag.wordpress.com/2007/10/03/namby-pamby/#comment-874</link>
		<dc:creator>columbus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 01:02:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;yes, the below the radar buzz! There&#039;s the head of the nail!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes, the below the radar buzz! There&#8217;s the head of the nail!</p>
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		<title>By: Lee</title>
		<link>http://crankedmag.wordpress.com/2007/10/03/namby-pamby/#comment-873</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 02:48:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yes, I&#039;d love to see education, but I&#039;m still not convinced it&#039;d help.  I&#039;ve been talking with folks about requiring mandatory retesting at license renewal, but frankly it only helps if people want it to.   Watch how your typical educated driver interacts with any vehicle that they perceive as impeding them and it&#039;s apparent that it&#039;s not a lack of &lt;em&gt;knowledge&lt;/em&gt; but a lack of &lt;em&gt;respect&lt;/em&gt;.   &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I think the BMP is going to get more cyclists out on the streets.   I think the BMP is about more than just bike lanes - it&#039;s about signalizing, road diets, wide outside lanes, and in general small changes that will help encourage people to get off the fence and start riding.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I think leaving Stone Way as a discouraging segment of roadway—what else do you call a four-lane arterial on a hill with significant left-turning vehicles and some truck traffic?—is going to do exactly that, discourage people from riding.  I don&#039;t see that as a good thing.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I&#8217;d love to see education, but I&#8217;m still not convinced it&#8217;d help.  I&#8217;ve been talking with folks about requiring mandatory retesting at license renewal, but frankly it only helps if people want it to.   Watch how your typical educated driver interacts with any vehicle that they perceive as impeding them and it&#8217;s apparent that it&#8217;s not a lack of <em>knowledge</em> but a lack of <em>respect</em>.   </p>
<p>I think the BMP is going to get more cyclists out on the streets.   I think the BMP is about more than just bike lanes &#8211; it&#8217;s about signalizing, road diets, wide outside lanes, and in general small changes that will help encourage people to get off the fence and start riding.</p>
<p>I think leaving Stone Way as a discouraging segment of roadway—what else do you call a four-lane arterial on a hill with significant left-turning vehicles and some truck traffic?—is going to do exactly that, discourage people from riding.  I don&#8217;t see that as a good thing.</p>
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		<title>By: jack@the Hub</title>
		<link>http://crankedmag.wordpress.com/2007/10/03/namby-pamby/#comment-877</link>
		<dc:creator>jack@the Hub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2007 19:41:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Michael you are right on the money, but the other day I had a rare interaction with a motorist that gives credence to the benefits of signs and stripes.  Read about it here:
&lt;a href=&quot;http://thehubprovidence.blogspot.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://thehubprovidence.blogspot.com/&lt;/a&gt; Here in Providence, &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Its basically a free for all due in part to a lack of public maintenence dollars and a lack of political will on the part of the mayor and everyone else who takes the opportunity to give a speech at Bike to Work Day about how much the support bicycling in our city.  As it stands now, we have no infrastructure in the city that would indicate that &quot;support&quot;, but the promises are many.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;As someone who has been cycling around this city everyday for the past 15 years, I&#039;ve gotten to the point where I fear more a badly executed BMP than the nothing we&#039;ve been getting.  Signing and striping  won&#039;t change my habits a bit and I fear the extra regulations you mention  that may accompany such a half-baked plan would kill my below-the-radar buzz.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Seattle is a great cycling city.  In our case, I believe that if people are waiting for effective and safe bicycling infrastructure in our current political climate,  they&#039;ll be stuck in their car on on the bus for a long time.  Get out there and take your lumps.  You&#039;ll inform the process of political change for the better.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael you are right on the money, but the other day I had a rare interaction with a motorist that gives credence to the benefits of signs and stripes.  Read about it here:<br />
<a href="http://thehubprovidence.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://thehubprovidence.blogspot.com/</a> Here in Providence, </p>
<p>Its basically a free for all due in part to a lack of public maintenence dollars and a lack of political will on the part of the mayor and everyone else who takes the opportunity to give a speech at Bike to Work Day about how much the support bicycling in our city.  As it stands now, we have no infrastructure in the city that would indicate that &#8220;support&#8221;, but the promises are many.</p>
<p>As someone who has been cycling around this city everyday for the past 15 years, I&#8217;ve gotten to the point where I fear more a badly executed BMP than the nothing we&#8217;ve been getting.  Signing and striping  won&#8217;t change my habits a bit and I fear the extra regulations you mention  that may accompany such a half-baked plan would kill my below-the-radar buzz.</p>
<p>Seattle is a great cycling city.  In our case, I believe that if people are waiting for effective and safe bicycling infrastructure in our current political climate,  they&#8217;ll be stuck in their car on on the bus for a long time.  Get out there and take your lumps.  You&#8217;ll inform the process of political change for the better.</p>
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		<title>By: crankedmag</title>
		<link>http://crankedmag.wordpress.com/2007/10/03/namby-pamby/#comment-871</link>
		<dc:creator>crankedmag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2007 17:28:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;There needs to be proper education; spending money on educating drivers and all users of the road could potentially eliminate the need for bicycle lanes. But, at best, without educating everyone on their rights and responsibilities while on the road these desired bike lanes will remain just as ineffective and dangerous as the existing ones are.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But that&#039;s not my entire point. I absolutely do not want my right to the entire road to be questioned now or in the future. They [the city] have already scrapped parts of the promised bike lanes on beloved Stone Way. What&#039;s stopping them from scrapping other parts of the BMP that people are fond of? What&#039;s stopping them from scrapping our rights to the road? It&#039;s the same mentality that&#039;s scrapping our crosswalks all over the city. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Our rights to the road already exist. We have it good in Seattle. It is touted as a progressive city, I&#039;ve lived and biked in other cities and the motorists mentalities there are not easily swayed by mere stripes on the road. I don&#039;t believe our motorists will be either. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I&#039;ve read blogs and have heard people&#039;s reactions to cyclists on the roads. Progressive my ass. People in this city are already griping that this BMP is a gift to cyclists that they do not want to pay for. Without the proper &quot;education&quot;, I only expect more aggression from drivers when I&#039;m not in my so-called allotted space in the street. Just down the road from this will be the eventual limitation of our rights to the entire street.  &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Lines are being drawn for sure, but sadly these lines are only in the sand.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There needs to be proper education; spending money on educating drivers and all users of the road could potentially eliminate the need for bicycle lanes. But, at best, without educating everyone on their rights and responsibilities while on the road these desired bike lanes will remain just as ineffective and dangerous as the existing ones are.</p>
<p>But that&#8217;s not my entire point. I absolutely do not want my right to the entire road to be questioned now or in the future. They [the city] have already scrapped parts of the promised bike lanes on beloved Stone Way. What&#8217;s stopping them from scrapping other parts of the BMP that people are fond of? What&#8217;s stopping them from scrapping our rights to the road? It&#8217;s the same mentality that&#8217;s scrapping our crosswalks all over the city. </p>
<p>Our rights to the road already exist. We have it good in Seattle. It is touted as a progressive city, I&#8217;ve lived and biked in other cities and the motorists mentalities there are not easily swayed by mere stripes on the road. I don&#8217;t believe our motorists will be either. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve read blogs and have heard people&#8217;s reactions to cyclists on the roads. Progressive my ass. People in this city are already griping that this BMP is a gift to cyclists that they do not want to pay for. Without the proper &#8220;education&#8221;, I only expect more aggression from drivers when I&#8217;m not in my so-called allotted space in the street. Just down the road from this will be the eventual limitation of our rights to the entire street.  </p>
<p>Lines are being drawn for sure, but sadly these lines are only in the sand.</p>
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		<title>By: Lee</title>
		<link>http://crankedmag.wordpress.com/2007/10/03/namby-pamby/#comment-872</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2007 15:18:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I completely agree that bicycle lanes and bike boulevards and basically any modern bicycle treatment is a pale shadow of what the perfect cycling environment would be.  That doesn&#039;t mean I think it&#039;s acceptable to let even this weak implementation - the BMP - be thrown aside.  It&#039;s not settling, it&#039;s compromise - and a compromise that gets more cyclists out on the road is another step towards that cycling utopia.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Furthermore, bicycling climbing lanes are a good idea.   Just like truck climbing lanes on interstates, they help regulate traffic that&#039;s moving at different speeds up a steep grade.  It&#039;s not unreasonable if done correctly.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I completely agree that bicycle lanes and bike boulevards and basically any modern bicycle treatment is a pale shadow of what the perfect cycling environment would be.  That doesn&#8217;t mean I think it&#8217;s acceptable to let even this weak implementation &#8211; the BMP &#8211; be thrown aside.  It&#8217;s not settling, it&#8217;s compromise &#8211; and a compromise that gets more cyclists out on the road is another step towards that cycling utopia.</p>
<p>Furthermore, bicycling climbing lanes are a good idea.   Just like truck climbing lanes on interstates, they help regulate traffic that&#8217;s moving at different speeds up a steep grade.  It&#8217;s not unreasonable if done correctly.</p>
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		<title>By: crankedmag</title>
		<link>http://crankedmag.wordpress.com/2007/10/03/namby-pamby/#comment-878</link>
		<dc:creator>crankedmag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 04:03:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;All I&#039;m saying really is that in my mind, bike lanes are merely a poor substitute to what we all really want: ease of travel with the entire road. Bike lanes are just a simulacrum of safety, they&#039;re an imitation of a travel lane, and really just placating pablum on the whole.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All I&#8217;m saying really is that in my mind, bike lanes are merely a poor substitute to what we all really want: ease of travel with the entire road. Bike lanes are just a simulacrum of safety, they&#8217;re an imitation of a travel lane, and really just placating pablum on the whole.</p>
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		<title>By: Biff Torino</title>
		<link>http://crankedmag.wordpress.com/2007/10/03/namby-pamby/#comment-867</link>
		<dc:creator>Biff Torino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 00:47:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I completely agree, that unless Seattle can overnight make lanes as thorough, well designed, and integrated as those in Holland, that it will give us a false and incomplete sense of bike safety to piece meal it.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Dont settle for anything less than comprehensive ubiquitous bicycle integration.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Michael is right that we should not accept half-baked solutions which are inherently dangerous.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Cheers,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Biff Torino&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I completely agree, that unless Seattle can overnight make lanes as thorough, well designed, and integrated as those in Holland, that it will give us a false and incomplete sense of bike safety to piece meal it.</p>
<p>Dont settle for anything less than comprehensive ubiquitous bicycle integration.</p>
<p>Michael is right that we should not accept half-baked solutions which are inherently dangerous.</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>Biff Torino</p>
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